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Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

Last post 10 Mar 2009 9:03 PM by Rosemary Anaba. 34 replies.
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  • 21 Feb 2008 12:26 PM

    Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    The IPA has called for the advertising industry to open itself up and encourage people to enter from more diverse backgrounds.

    It has argued for greater "creative diversity in the predominantly white, male and middle-classed industry", calling for a new approach labelled "diagonal thinking".

    It's all very well the IPA making this point, but what's the reality?

  • 21 Feb 2008 1:23 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    THE IPA IS A SERIOUS PART OF THE PROBLEM!!
  • 21 Feb 2008 5:25 PM

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    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    I don't know about the agency side but I can say FOR SURE that the client side is bias towards whites.

  • 22 Feb 2008 1:43 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    Hamish - well said about the older generation. As you say, it's all very well championing the young and a more varied social mix, but we must not do this at the expense of older hands who have much to offer and are increasingly marginalised. Their cause is equally worthy and valuable in keeping standards in the creative industries high and world class.
  • 22 Feb 2008 6:37 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    The IPA is the problem – not
    The solution!

    The IPA is the repository of everything that is going wrong with advertising.

    The President is an ex advertising agency person with all the prejudices that come with working with an agency…the principle prejudice being “Advertising Works”.  

    It is more important than ever that we completely re-evaluate advertising, and to do that the IPA needs to restructure by bringing in senior people who are not crippled with Adlands’ mythology!

    The reality of marketing communication is that the long period of advertising supremacy is over, the IPA has become part of history by espousing policies and striking poses that are well out of the current mainstream of marketing communications theory!

    The question is not "Has the advertising model broken"? The question now is "What are we going to replace it with"?

    That a new era in advertising is beginning is not in doubt, the long period of Advertising Agency ascendancy is clearly over, buried by lack of accountability and commercial clutter!

    Together with the complacency bought on by an overindulgence with television and a total lack of understanding as to the real meaning of the word “communication”

    The complacency of the IPA is overwhelming, they appear not to be doing anything to answer the increasingly strident complaints.

    Complaints such as, clutter, and here the irony is that advertising agencies appear to think that placing more advertisements is the way to solve clutter!

    Complaints such as lack of accountability, to day, and after fifty years of extensive advertising, there are no reliable figures available on audience measurements.

    And most certainly there are no effective studies as to the effectiveness of advertising…on sales…. As a return on ROI…and much more.

    So this is “goodbye” to the old uncertain method of advertising and “hello” to transparency and far more effective methods of commercial communication!    


  • 23 Feb 2008 8:02 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    Maybe it’s time to divest ourselves of the IPA? After all, the IPA is “the industry body and professional institute for leading advertising, media and marketing communications agencies in the UK”. But along with many others in the advertising business in this country, whom the IPA works on behalf of, it doesn’t appear to see what is happening in the advertising world. That unfortunately is at the least myopic but also a reflection that it is perhaps time for the whole advertising and TV industries to get contact lenses, because the latest research suggests that there may be trouble ahead.

     

    So what has the IPA done in response to these warning signs? Why it has called for the advertising industry to open itself up and encourage people to enter from more diverse backgrounds. It has argued for greater "creative diversity in the predominantly white, male and middle-classed industry", calling for a new approach labelled "diagonal thinking".

     

    What? Is this really the magic cure for the malaise of the industry? And if this mantra holds true, why on earth has it taken so long to discover such an obvious panacea?

     

    Okay so I’m being a little cynical and the IPA clearly considers there is a need to make this point even though it eludes me no matter how many times I read it. However, making such a point is all very well but shouldn’t this august body representing the industry, be looking at more important trends because the problems facing advertising and marketing are far deeper than a lack of diagonal thinking.

     

    Perhaps the sad truth is that the IPA cannot address the myriad problems, because if they do they will herald the end of advertising, as they know it. Yes advertising can be said to work but if you throw enough money at pushing something down consumers’ throats, it is bound to have some effect. Just look at what’s happening in the presidential nominee race in the US. However, it is being recognised, at a pace, that current conventional mass media are weak conductors of knowledge and comprehension, vital if the brand message and differentiation from competitors is to get across.

     

    So just how effective is advertising really? Does anyone know? What studies have been done to measure the effectiveness of advertising or even, who watches the ads? Where’s the accountability or is it just a dirty word? Barb measures program viewing not advertising. It’s time that UK clients followed their counterparts In the US, where clients are putting advertising on the block and demanding accountability. They are also using alternatives that interact with their customers.  And this is why conventional advertising is not working in this modern world of savvy consumers. There is no interaction between the brand and the purchaser. It’s all one way traffic but for any communication to be effective there has to be a dialogue, a conversation, an opportunity for feedback so that the message can reflect the demands of the customer.

     

    And then there is clutter but ask yourself does the advertising business want to end clutter? Hell no, that’s how they make their money. The more clutter, the more profitable the business is. And what clients should recognise is that the role of the IPA is to serve, promote and anticipate the collective interests of IPA members, not their clients.

     

    Consider this, we should dump the IPA and form the Institute of Practitioners in Communication, and the first thing we do is educate people that advertising isn’t communication, never has been never will be.

     

    So, here’s a thought and I don’t care if it is diagonal or anything else, isn’t it time to get rid of the IPA…for good?

  • 24 Feb 2008 12:11 AM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    Shit... We go through this every ten years in the US... Just as you guys do in the UK... Get it through your heads, it will never change, no matter how much agencies and clients pay some kind of homage to recognizing, youth, hip-hop, gangsta, multi-cultural, bi-sexual, whatever. The average board room level man (and it's 90% men) in a BDA (Big Dumb Agency) or a BDC (Big Dumb Client) would freak out to be in the same room with someone who didn't belong to their socio-economic group, hadn't been to the right school, or been in the fucking Household Cavalry... I don't know why the BR Team is even bothering asking this question... Anyway... Isn't IPA a kind of beer?

    Cheers/George

  • 25 Feb 2008 1:31 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    It’s broke – but please don’t fix it!

    Alan, haven’t you woken up to the fact that this forum about the IPA is a huge RED HERRING?
    It is so because they have no answers to the mounting problems of advertising.  So they drag this meaningless proposal into life to try and look as if they are doing something…well they’re not!

    It’s a given that all human knowledge is provisional but it is also incremental, the sum of what we know to day is far greater than thirty years ago – with, possibly, the sole exception of marketing/advertising. Nothing new has been added to the armory of advertising…no debate is taking place as to where to go next!    Perhaps that is because there is no place else to go!

    However to day it is still an article of faith among advertising people that advertising will not change because "it works"!

    It is entirely appropriate to consider getting rid of the IPA because the saddest lesson from all this is that the IPA, like those vested interests it represents, are stuck in 20th century world-views whilst the real views of the business world have moved on!

    There have been many, far superior ideas developed to make marketing communication effective, these have all been dammed by faint praise by the advertising agencies over the years.   All the agencies have ever wanted to do was to increase frequency and increase the cluttered media landscape, with no accountability of any true meaning whatsoever.

    The truth of the matter is a better, far, far, better mousetrap was built over twenty-five years ago but the advertising agencies were not prepared to take delivery.

    Why?   Simply put they were not concerned with solving their Clients problems they simply wanted to maximize their profits!

    I wish I could close like George above, but I cannot

    The more things change the more they remain the same

  • 25 Feb 2008 5:31 PM

    RE: RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

     

    Hi George

    You are of course correct, as always

    Oil floats on water, some shit floats, it's all water off a ducks back, you can't get blood out of a stone and never the twain shall meet

    IPA is technically speaking an "Ale" having once been known as "Incredibly Pale Ale" it was forcibly re-branded by the nationalised Enoch Branding Corporation of Brent in the Politically Correct 1980's as "Indian Pal Ale" in order to pander to the electorate of Wembley, Neasden & Alperton and make it more quaffable to the baby boomer hippy set 

    Sean@Ruttledge.com

    Where else ?
  • 25 Feb 2008 5:34 PM

    RE: RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

     

    We are all members of ONE RACE... the HUMAN RACE

     

    I hear you talk about "Whites" as if you were living in some 1980's Apartheid system

    The world isn't like that any more, let alone the UK

    Advertising Moghuls in the UK have Arabic names like SAATCHI and are largely Jewish too so dont go spining out that Middle England WASP crap

     Get over it

    Sean@Ruttledge.com

    Where else ?
  • 25 Feb 2008 5:38 PM

    RE: RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    I find these comments puzzling, but then I would, wouldn't I?!  Please refer to the following for some evidence to the contrary: the 'Advertising Works' books of winning cases from the IPA Effectiveness Awards (which went 'media neutral' years ago); 'Marketing in the Era of Accountability' by Les Binet and Peter Field; 'The Future of Advertising and Agencies' by the Future Foundation and the IPA.  All this evidence of new thinking and accountability can be accessed via our website or via WARC.
  • 25 Feb 2008 6:03 PM

    RE: RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    The IPA has no divine right to exist and does so only because it retains the support of its corporate members.  If they want to get rid of the IPA, then it's entirely their prerogative.  However, we now have over 270 agency members (up from 210 in 2001) and have significant communities in outdoor, direct marketing, digital, healthcare, and search, as well as in the media and creative sectors.  The UK, and London within it, is regarded as one of the global centres of excellence for advertising and marketing communications.  Indeed Maurice Levy has referred to the UK being the world's digital laboratory and the agencies its test tubes. So we like to think we're doing something right!  Just one example is the professionalisation of the agency sector through CPD and exam-based qualifications.  By the middle of this year over 3,000 employees of IPA member agencies will have passed the Foundation Certificate, the Advanced Certificate, LegRegs or the Excellence Diploma out of a total universe of 19,000 people.  Our continuing campaign for greater diversity and the role of the 'Diagonal Thinking Self-assessment' within it is all part of this drive to ensure that the UK builds on its pre-eminence as a centre.

  • 25 Feb 2008 6:08 PM

    RE: RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    Yes, IPA is a also a beer and stands for India Pale Ale.  So called because it was brewed to be exported to India during the days of Empire.  People enjoyed it so much they wanted to drink it at home, so it became a favourite back in Old Blighty!

    IPA also stands for Institute of Patent Agents, but I heven't got a good story on that apart from a loose link to copyright, intellectual property and the like.

  • 26 Feb 2008 1:31 AM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    Maybe the IPA should start making IPA and opening pubs. But real ones without juke boxes, slot machines and fake plastic medieval shit all over the place. That's the thing I find most depressing when I get back over there. Nealy all the pubs are fucked up... And what's all this gourmet food about? What's wrong with crisps and scotch eggs... They made me what I am today... Oh, and lots of IPA.

    Cheers/George

  • 26 Feb 2008 2:51 PM

    RE: Is the IPA right to attack the ad industry for white, male and middle class bias?

    George is as usual, spot on. 

    Agencies will only change anything when it helps their bottom line. Fact.

    What will happen is that one brave agency (most likely an independent shop) will make the anti-Trident gum ad that a certain ethnic group love and buy loads of the product. Probably because *gasp* the agency will get into the mind of said consumer in an effective way (You mean you have to know what they think?!? I just wanna shove my brand down their throats!!). Said client will make a ton of cash and other clients will go to their agencies saying 'We want that kind of money'.

    Bandwagoning ensues. 

    Thank you and good afternoon.

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