Skip To Site Navigation

Blogs

Please can you refute this argument.

I have suddenly conceived the insane notion that brands are good for the environment. Can this possibly be true?

It is now common to ask why property prices in Britain are so high. Another way of phrasing the question might be to ask why - at least from 1945 to 1990 - UK property prices were so insanely low.

To give you one anecdotal example, my grandfather was but a reasonably prosperous GP on the Welsh borders; yet in the 1950s he could easily have bought pretty much any house he wished within 30 miles. One of the houses he considered and rejected is now a 20 bedroom hotel with a handy quarter-mile of salmon fishing on the Usk. It was on sale for about six thousand pounds.

With his sensibly Scottish approach to such things, however, he bought a modest six-bedroom villa a few miles away, and wisely spent the savings on.....among other things.... a dishwasher. 

Gee, thanks, Gramps!

Mind you, this was no ordinary dishwasher. For a start, it was only the third dishwasher sold in Wales (there's posh for you). It was manufactured in New Zealand. And it cost in real terms about the same as a Ford Ka does today*.

And that in part-explains why property prices were so low then - and so high today. Back then, domestic items were insanely expensive, and acquiring them soaked up most of people's discretionary expenditure. Air travel, domestic appliances, televisions, even telephone calls were near prohibitive to most people. Indeed in the late 1950s a ten-minute call to New York cost more in real terms than a transatlantic flight today.

Now, with these things cheap in relative terms, the money saved goes elsewhere. Not into more dishwashers but into property. Into services. Into convenience. And into brands.

Note that the new wealth rarely goes towards more cars, more dishwashers....not even to more flights. 

This refutes the lazy assumption that increasing levels of wealth must inexorably lead to increasing levels of consumption.

By and large there is a limit to the number of TVs people want. I have heard of one man with two dishwashers, but he is a rare exception. There are very few five-car households. Mostly, as people enrich themselves, they do not buy more things but better versions of the same things - or best of all buy better branded verion of the same things. Most people, say, would rather buy three pairs of designer sunglasses than twenty cheap pairs. 

Which leads me to ask this simple question: unless you wish to tackle environmental problems by impoverishing us all, can anyone think of a more environmentally friendly way to spend money than in the purchasing of brand value? 

Brands are, after all, gloriously intangible. You can build a brand without killing trees and few precious raw materials are needed in their creation. The exploitation of child labour in making brands is rare. And yet brand value creates pleasure and confers status as surely as any more wasteful (ie tangible) value.

It may seem bizarre to say it, but brands actually succeed in making us happy with less. That is precisely why they make money for the people who own them.

Want to sell a car? You could kill a cow and give it leather seats. Or you could put the money behind making the cloth-seated car more desirable.

I might go futher. The value of any branded item often decays far more slowly than the value of unbranded equivalent. Those Chanel sunglasses you buy today will still fetch a fair price on eBay in 20 years time when third-hand, while their cheaper unbranded equivalents have been clogging up a landfill for a decade.  

Yet, such is my instinctive lack of confidence in the environmental benefit of brands, I can't really comfortably believe my own argument here. It can't be true, can it?

Please, someone tell me why it's rubbish.

* It still works, incidentally.

All Comments

  November 15, 2007

Your argument would be difficult to refute in your grandfather’s day. However, the gulf in quality between premium branded goods (which in what you are really talking about here) and bog-standard brands was much wider in the past. Japanese manufacturing methods, have largely eliminated the advantages of higher-priced branded goods. Thirty years ago is was actually more economical in the long run to buy a Mercedes-Benz because they were mechanically reliable and could be kept on the road for years. Mass market cars, whether they came off the assembly line in Detroit or Coventry, broke down a lot. The trouble with today’s consumption of brands, is that replacement cycles are too short. People mistakenly seek happiness with needlessly replacing perfectly good products with brand upgrades. A more environmentally-friendly approach would be your grandfather’s middle class approach: buy a quality dishwasher that works 50 years later.

  November 15, 2007

Bill Britt is spot on. Buy quality goods. Resist, if you can, the pressure from brands like Apple to replace perfectly good equipment well before it's obsolete. The argument is about how a lot of branding encourages unnecessary replacement - a cycle which is getting faster and faster. So, my answer to this is not to buy an iPhone until two or three years down the line when Apple and their competitors have got convergent technology just right. Your friends won't like you and your social networking credibility will slump. But, if you're serious about the environment, you'll buy quality goods that last.

  November 15, 2007

Good point there by Mark. In fact, I wish i had taken his advice when I bought my expensive, original iPod those years ago. The same iPod which just crashed, without excessive over-use, because - well, it was not really designed to last that long. I wish that Rory's argument DID generally hold true for brands, rather than just for the odd expensive dishwasher or Mercedes. I fear that these are the exceptions that prove the rule, brands are bad for the environment. I'm not sure what the "purchasing of brand value" means, either. The latest Guinness ad is said to have cost 10 MILLION QUID, unless that is a wind-up. I wonder what carbon emissions are attributable to that otherwise fine piece of work. Tipping point indeed - let's hope so.

  November 15, 2007

I completely agree with Bill we've developed a disposable society in which the biggest profits can be made by cycling through trends and products as quickly as possible. Products are no longer designed for longevity rather they are designed with specific life expectancy in mind. Why else do products die shortly after the warranty expires and spares to repair products are so expensive? It’s because the manufacturer wants you to purchase a replacement product and not merely a component. Apple is the worst for this I refuse to purchase apple products as much as possible because of this. As pretty apple products are, they are primarily designed to make Steve Jobs and the rest of the shareholders of apple rich. If anybody has tried to upgrade memory in a mini mac you would have learned this a loooong time ago what a piece of cr*p. I think we can learn however from high class luxury goods that could be considered classic, or rather timeless. If you want to develop more “eco friendly brands” this is where its to be done. Where the focus is on quality and craftsmanship rather than fad. Oh and what’s with the really silly branding going on Zavvi and LG Viewty to name but 2.

  November 15, 2007

Surely any environmental benefit derived from brands is more than cancelled out by the sheer volume of hot air spouted everyday by Marketing professionals (myself included)?!? ;)

  November 15, 2007

But I think you are all missing my point. If you spend 200 quid on a pair of designer sunglasses, who cares if they are a crock of shit. Let's assume they are no different to ten pound sunglasses bought a Boots, except for the feelings they arouse in you. That's still 190 pounds you've spent on brand value (something harmless, ina other words) which you are not spending on petrol, clothing, heating, beef, or any other environmentally destructive purchase. Hence the brand component of the sunglasses is completely innocent - not something you could say of almost any other way in which the money might have been spent.

  November 15, 2007

I wish I had £190 to spend on sunglasses and besides aren't we just funding some body elses carbon footprint. Its not the little graphic designer guy like me who driving around a massive 4x4 in an urban enviroment where the most chance of getting the wheels muddy is driving past the local common.

  November 15, 2007

I think Gregory makes a good point. There is a reduction in your own personal carbon/ consumption footprint when you 'overspend' on a pair of sunglasses or whatever... My gut feel however the money has to go somewhere and it is likely to go on things which are bad for the environment (I'd be interested to see stats on what percentage of pounds spent go on 'green' stuff v 'bad for the environment') and again extrapolating the above point, this is likely to go to people who will buy an extra car/ energy consuming gadget/ heavily packaged/ sent from Venezuela item. This is bad for the environment. Also more stuff is made now than in the '50s as manufacturing methods have improved and demand has increased leading to more comsumption and by extension more waste. Rory's right in saying that the good feeling about buying a brand isn't environmentally bad - the brand itself though, that's more questionable.

  November 15, 2007

Simple. Brands must communicate their values. Communication has an increasingly adverse environmental effect. HDTV? More watts. More damage. LCD outdoor cross-track screens? More watts. Touchtop bar tables. More watts. More communication. More watts. The bigger the brand. The more communication. Print. TV. Email. Experiential. Whatever. It all needs energy. But... not sure I believe my own argument either. Can you kindly refute it for me?

  November 16, 2007

The function of branding, marketing and all its associated art forms is to drive consumerism which by its nature is not eco friendly. However I do not think it is not us to decide what consumers have access to as this would be detracting from their freedom and unnecessarily imposing our own morals and values onto them. This will become more relevant as the nature of advertising develops into a more consumer led activity. It is also the responsibility of manufactures to efficiently produce products and services that have a minimal negative impact on the environment. If you were to use this characteristic as a USP then your brand could well be ECO friendly to a degree. I think society needs are future proofed brands and products that are modular in nature and allows consumers to upgrade only components that are necessary. With regards to LCD screens I’m not sure how they compare to the amount of energy and resources required to place in comparison to regular billboards, but certainly there is less physical waste produced.

  November 16, 2007

It an interesting that a number of environmentally friendly brands have discovered that by becoeing a trendy brand, like WORN AGAIN, they can save the planet whilst satisfying our desire for branded goods.

  November 16, 2007

It an interesting that a number of environmentally friendly brands have discovered that by becoeing a trendy brand, like WORN AGAIN, they can save the planet whilst satisfying our desire for branded goods.

  November 16, 2007

It an interesting that a number of environmentally friendly brands have discovered that by becoeing a trendy brand, like WORN AGAIN, they can save the planet whilst satisfying our desire for branded goods.

  November 16, 2007

Rory. A very nice argument. Is your argument that there is in effect a brand tax that takes money out of the economy that would otherwise be spent on environmentally damaging goods and services? To show this what we would need to know is how the revenues from the Brand Tax get used. Some have argued above that the brand is pure status, and the brands make us purchase objects that have a little value. Needing to own status symbols is common to most tribal societies including our own. Bronislaw Malinowski pointed out in the Sex and Repression in Savage Society that the Savages have a need to own many objects that have no practical value. Are you arguing that brands makes us less or more likely to own impracticable objects. Is branding a more efficient system than the ones Savage Societies use? The point that I am making is the Societies have always needed symbols, from the cargo cults in Papa New Guinea, to Africans trading with cockle shells, to people paying the churches indulgences. Is branding and building a brand more efficient now then these other status building traditions. We can attack the Argument another way in if look at Banana Republics. There was a recent article in the Guardian on Bananas. They pointed out that while a bunch of the fruit costs 12 pence at farm gate in South America, the consumer is paying £1 at the supermarket here in the UK. Transport costs would be about 8 pence a bunch. Out of 80 pence difference, 30 pence goes to the UK supermarket. Leaving 50 pence in Brand tax. From the article it looks like a fair proportion of that money goes to lawyers and accountants. This is in effect another form of tax that goes to people that add little value to society. The rest of the money goes on status symbols for the executives like private jets, as if the profits of banana companies are too high they will get attacked by the public. A margin of 2 and half times on a commodity means there is something wrong with the system! Is the reason that they are able to have such large gross margins because of branding? Your argument would work if you could show that the revenues from Brand tax went into savings. But I think a large proportion of the tax does not. We could look at the 100 top brands at their gross margins and then calculate the proportion that goes into savings. That would give us some clue if your argument would hold water.

  November 16, 2007

Rory. A very nice argument. Is your argument that there is in effect a brand tax that takes money out of the economy that would otherwise be spent on environmentally damaging goods and services? To show this what we would need to know is how the revenues from the Brand Tax get used. Some have argued above that the brand is pure status, and the brands make us purchase objects that have a little value. Needing to own status symbols is common to most tribal societies including our own. Bronislaw Malinowski pointed out in the Sex and Repression in Savage Society that the Savages have a need to own many objects that have no practical value. Are you arguing that brands makes us less or more likely to own impracticable objects. Is branding a more efficient system than the ones Savage Societies use? The point that I am making is the Societies have always needed symbols, from the cargo cults in Papa New Guinea, to Africans trading with cockle shells, to people paying the churches indulgences. Is branding and building a brand more efficient now then these other status building traditions. We can attack the Argument another way in if look at Banana Republics. There was a recent article in the Guardian on Bananas. They pointed out that while a bunch of the fruit costs 12 pence at farm gate in South America, the consumer is paying £1 at the supermarket here in the UK. Transport costs would be about 8 pence a bunch. Out of 80 pence difference, 30 pence goes to the UK supermarket. Leaving 50 pence in Brand tax. From the article it looks like a fair proportion of that money goes to lawyers and accountants. This is in effect another form of tax that goes to people that add little value to society. The rest of the money goes on status symbols for the executives like private jets, as if the profits of banana companies are too high they will get attacked by the public. A margin of 2 and half times on a commodity means there is something wrong with the system! Is the reason that they are able to have such large gross margins because of branding? Your argument would work if you could show that the revenues from Brand tax went into savings. But I think a large proportion of the tax does not. We could look at the 100 top brands at their gross margins and then calculate the proportion that goes into savings. That would give us some clue if your argument would hold water.

  November 16, 2007

Hence my comment that brands funding other consumers carbon footprint. The bit about Savage Societies was really interesting though, it reflects some of the theories that are mentioned in Mark Hughs's Buzzmarketing; except replace usless objects with useless information.

  November 18, 2007

I wouldn't call it a brand tax because, unlike a tax, we pay it willingly. In fact in many cases we want to pay more of it. If we buy one pair of designer jeans rather than six cheap pairs we are merely deciding that we prefer symbolic wealth to material wealth: symbolic wealth is probably less environmentally harmful to produce than the material kind.

  November 19, 2007

Hehehe well I'd buy the cheaper jeans and put the rest of the money saved into my oversized mortgage or use it to pay for excessively expensive london public transport.

  November 19, 2007

Then we get back to the argument of Bronislaw Malinowski and the need for Savage Societies to have status symbols. Every society needs a form of symbolic wealth, be it an ipod or a cockle shell. Are brands more or less efficient in delivering symbolic wealth? Your argument on Brand Tax only works where there is efficient competition. This weekend, Boots was closed so I had to buy Lemsip for £5.40 instead of £1.60 Boots own brand. There is no difference between the two remedies in ingredients. I had no choice but to pay the brand tax. Also back to bananas I have no choice but to buy one of the four brands on offer. There is no white label banana!

  November 19, 2007

Lemsip is actually more effective at curing your flu - it's called the Brand Placebo effect. In my opinion you got yourself a bargain.

  November 20, 2007

Unfortunately placebos only work if you believe they work. If you've rationalised that a branded product is actually no better than another similar unbranded (or supposed inferior branded) product then the placebo effect will not occur. I think a lot of people have become savvy to this especially with sites like http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ that publish which brands are in fact rebranded to cheaper ones. And lets face it with the effective cost of goods increasing and ridiculous mortgages, everyone is tightening their belts and its the branded items that will suffer first.

  December 6, 2007

Mr. Sutherland. Much has already been said by Mssrs. Britt and Griffiths that I would want to say. But I will add that if aspirational brands are fuelling consumption, then no, brands cannot save the environment, as the main change required to mitigate climate change is consumer behaviour. However, I also think you may be asking the wrong question. Maybe we should be asking how brands can save the envirnment. I would gently point you toward John Grant's The Green Manifesto for a far more articulate explaination than I could ever make.

  June 11, 2008

One thing with top brands is that they often get produced alongside and even have a symbiotic relationship with their cheaper (not always less well made counteparts). in the case of one very prominent brand of sunglasses for instance - they are made in bulk in China - shipped to Hong Kong (bought at 3 USD), shipped to Italy (bought at around  20 USD), assembled and branded - (sold at $200 USD) - the factory pumping out these things isn't just making them for the brand - that you can be certain of.

  October 30, 2008

I think the human brain works in such as way that if you want you can virtually force a logic link between any two random things.

  December 11, 2008

Interesting stuff, Rory. Here's another view espoused by philosopher John Rawls. You know more about Rawls than I do. But if I follow it (correct me if I'm wrong), he was into social fairness and justice. He envisioned a means of organising societies without existing hierarchies dictating the terms of those arrangements.Yet brands are about imposing artificial hierarchies derived from bragging rights based on intangibles. The biggest brands are religion and politics. And their brands have contributed more to the fund of human misery than most other movements. So taking Rawls at his word, what would happen if we removed all brand labels and let the consumer decide their preferences in one giant blind taste test of everything? Wouldn't that be the way to remove brand hegemony and build brands based on common and shared truths which render them 'good'?

  February 6, 2009

What about war? It has to be the biggest brand the world has ever seen

  February 6, 2009

And the Pope?

  February 6, 2009

Have any of these ever been eclipsed by a manufactured brand? Now there's a question

  February 6, 2009

Surely any environmental benefit derived from brands is more than cancelled out by the sheer volume of hot air spouted everyday by Marketing professionals (myself included)?!? ;)

  February 6, 2009

I wish I had £190 to spend on sunglasses and besides aren't we just funding some body elses carbon footprint. Its not the little graphic designer guy like me who driving around a massive 4x4 in an urban enviroment where the most chance of getting the wheels muddy is driving past the local common.

  February 6, 2009

I wish I had £190 to spend on sunglasses and besides aren't we just funding some body elses carbon footprint. Its not the little graphic designer guy like me who driving around a massive 4x4 in an urban enviroment where the most chance of getting the wheels muddy is driving past the local common.

  February 6, 2009

I wish I had £190 to spend on sunglasses and besides aren't we just funding some body elses carbon footprint. Its not the little graphic designer guy like me who driving around a massive 4x4 in an urban enviroment where the most chance of getting the wheels muddy is driving past the local common.

  February 14, 2009

Without the wealth created by brands, there would no money to save the environment. A paradoxical truth in life.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  February 14, 2009

And let's not forget the green lobby is a very lucrative business for many people, quangos and governments.

  March 19, 2009

Anybody who's ever read the FT How To Spend It supplement will know there's some truth in this. Five thousand pound shoes, 100 thousand pound stereos and so on keep rich people's consumption volumes down.

What's good for the environment however may not be so good for the economy, as bankers competed to raise their bonuses so as to be able to afford the same size house in a better postcode, the same car from a better maker (Tuareg vs Cayenne anyone?), Butlins holidays at Bedruthan Steps, studio quality speakers to play low-fi MP3s on, etc.

The alpha mentality this caused also appears to have sunk Iceland, Ireland and Eastern Europe and generally knacked us all for a couple of years.

How To Spend It is a wonderful lesson in the law of diminishing returns.

  July 31, 2009

The last comment on this blog was some time ago - Mar '09. However, given that Rory first posted it in Nov '07, it proves what a fascinating topic 'brand' is. And when you attach 'brand' to 'issues of conscience' like the environment, it tears us apart. Before marketing people ate, used and carried stuff around with them. Now we consume. Consider the word - CONSUME. Conspicuous isn't it. People spent money based on what I think is a motivational line with 'survival' at one end and 'reward' at the other. Depending on how much we have to spend we pick a point on that line that defines our behaviour. At the survival end of the scale we tend to eat rather than consume. From somewhere in the middle of the line right up to the 'reward end, we consume to increasing degree of conspicuousness.

  August 7, 2009

The people are happy, they are the fat of the land

In a proud country where chips are legal but guns are banned

Isn't it paradise when you have the freedom choose

between the luxury goods, drugs, fags, chips or booze

thebasildonbloggerstrikesagain.com

To comment on this post you have to be logged in
 
ADVERTISEMENT