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re: Divided by a common language

Claire Rogerson — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:29:01 GMT

It's less to do with our use of language and more to do with the lack of engaging, charismatic leaders in this country. I can't think of a British politician who could convincingly use such oratory because there is no-one who inspires this level of passion or belief. Yes, we're a cynical nation, but that's not to say we can't be moved by a stirring speech and a sense of history. There's just no-one to believe in enough at the moment.

re: Divided by a common language

Alastair Duncan — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:39:52 GMT

There are hundreds of examples of this corporatespeak nonsense. Martin Lukes would be proud. Here's another example that I like, more English dialect than anything else. In Liverpool, if you're 'made up', you're very happy. In Sheffield, if you're 'made up', you've feeling miserable. (Try it speaking the accents aloud.) You couldn't make it up, could you.

re: Divided by a common language

Susan Imgrund — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:39:03 GMT

Maybe that's exactly the problem with this country's politicians: the great statesmen and orators are no more. I don't suppose any of the great leaders of the past ever gave a thought to whether they'd be derided for being "up themselves"!

re: PR is dead

ROSS FURLONG — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:30:44 GMT

Interesting and so by claiming blogs are dead, he's actually proved how continent crossingly powerful and alive they really are. Cunning. Shame it didn't work for Elvis.

re: PR is dead

George Nimeh — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:49:24 GMT

Fact: Old media loves stories about the death of anything remotely involved with new media. Just wait until Yahoo!'s cuts (or God forbid Google's) are announced. They'll have a field day.

Fact: The other piece of it is pure flame/link baiting. Paul Boutin wanted to generate traffic to his article, and he succeeded. He's a blogger for Gawker (the Page 6 of Silicon Valley), so it should come as no surprise that he baited everyone with his piece for Wired.

Fact: The article on Wired is was published on a blog.

More here:

www.i-boy.com/.../paul-boutin-doesn-get-social-media.html

~G~

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re: PR stuck in 1973?

Jon Clements — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:57:20 GMT

Though we (Staniforth) weren't actually around in 1973 - arriving five years later - I'd like to think there's no evidence of sheepskin coats, feather cuts or platform shoes in our current approach to new media. If you're going to offer meaningful online services to clients, it helps if you're already doing them yourself. So, we run our own blog, www.pr-media-blog.co.uk, have produced Vodcasts for a north west online marketing news magazine, set up a Facebook group for the Lib Dems to rally people on climate change and are involved with major companies, including Nissan, in the social media environment.

Our PR approach online is very much about getting to places where a client's key audiences are congregating and helping them to build relationships with the right content and conversation.

re: Is PR a branch of journalism?

ROSS FURLONG — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:51:31 GMT

On the flip side, there are PR people who also do a small amount of freelance journalism on the side (like me) and to include their overall income makes NUJ membership now look expensive for what you get back. I don't remember PR income being included 5 years ago when I originally joined.

re: Is PR a branch of journalism?

CF — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:38:49 GMT

Ah well that's a little different. A lot of freelancers do a bit of PR writing on the side as well. And I guess, for the purposes of assessing income from writing, then then NUJ might want this counted. If it's excluded, freelancers seen to be earning a lot less than they really are.

re: Is PR a branch of journalism?

ROSS FURLONG — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:57:36 GMT

The NUJ's position was related to subscription revenue funnily enough, here's the full para:

"The NUJ considers PR as work within journalism therefore when completing the section concerning your income; earnings from PR will have to be included."

re: Is PR a branch of journalism?

CF — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:35:30 GMT

As a journalist who's now been in PR for six months, I'm not surprised that the NUJ is saying this - I guess they need more members from somewhere. If they can get PRs in then that's one way to do it. However, it's also completely misguided: how many PRs would join the NUJ when even many journalists find it useless?

Ok - it's anecdotal. But barely any of the journalists I knew (and know) were/are in the NUJ, and the first thing I did when I left journoland was to cancel my membership to. To be honest, I'd almost not renewed a year back as they basically gave me nothing whatsoever for my £15 a month.

But anyway: is PR journalism? In short, no. Do many PRs find themselves embedded with our troops in Iraq? Do they have to battle to get interviews with the CEOs of failing companies? Do they ever publish things, essentially, that their clients don't like? No. PR is not journalism. We work with journalists, but we don't do their job. Thank god.

re: PR at the movies

ROSS FURLONG — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:49:01 GMT

Yes the noble PR agent pursuing a strong moral and ethical standpoint probably isn't the first image to to spring to mind for most business people unfortunately but for whatever reason, maybe just due to the dynamic of what makes a good story PR is getting a reasonably good press at movies. The writer of People I know said at the Sundance press conference that all publicists were liars - which is a bit extreme - but perhaps explains why he bumps off his PR character (Al Pacino).

re: PR at the movies

Peter Martin — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:06:25 GMT

As a result of working with a few, especially those I have hired...

Not sure I can agree. As to which character trait you refer to...

I am sure a gamut is covered in real life, and then reflected to necessary excess by that oh so worried about 'real' reality world of media, film, etc, as sold to us poor public by whom, exactly?

re: Beanbag

CF — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:23:57 GMT

Jeez, that sounds excruciating...